what has to be changed on a stamped mak90 to be 922r compliant

zghorner

I might know a guy that knows a guy that has four Russian shotguns that might non exist 922r compliant...hell from what ive read just changing the factory 5rd mag with a loftier cap mag makes it not compliant then ninety% of the saigas listed for sale are Not compliant right? same goes for the MAK-90s pictured with 30rd mags not to mention non-thumbhole stocks. Never ever hear of anything coming of it though....Does anyone know of a case or accuse against someone for having a non 922r compliant firearm? I feel like if y'all posted pictures saying "hey I converted this post '86 gun to full auto using a surplus sear I establish" you lot would have some blackness suits bear witness upwards at your door.

I remember reading a pretty cool thread over at FALfiles near 922r: My ATF Alphabetic character

From what I've gathered...the person who "manufactures" (modifies) the gun into non 922r compliant form is responsible...just since it is very difficult to show who did the modification information technology will not exist pursued?

Normally in these types of threads someone pops off with something like "no known cases, but I don't want to be the starting time" or "i don't want to exist the one they brand an case of". which is a reasonable argument to me...the last thing whatever gun guy or gal wants is a run in with the ATF.

So what say you OSA? I know their are some pretty stinkin smart legal beagles on here that I would love to larn from on this result.

OKNewshawk

922r compliance depends only on the number of foreign-manufactured parts in the firearm. If the Russian shotgun is 922r compliant with the 5 round magazine, then removing or replacing the magazine with another one does not modify the 922r compliance status of the shotgun. This is co-ordinate to a summary of 922r compliance I found on the Tapco website here: TAPCO - Section 922r Compliance. I'd like to know if I'm mistaken in this exclamation.

Fyrtwuck

922r is another of the federal laws attempting to command guns.

I have NEVER heard or read most anyone being charged or arrested for not have the correct number of required parts in their guns. I have also NEVER heard or read of a BATFE agent inspecting anyone's gun for the proper amount and type of parts. How many agents or individuals can actually identify what is what? I feel similar I'k doing good to be able to identify semi parts from full motorcar in an AR or an M1 carbine.

But like the 1994-2004 set on weapon and magazine chapters ban. Was anyone ever charged or arrested? If the magazines were not marked, how could you tell?

These are two of the totally stupid laws that our politicians waste our revenue enhancement money on to make the anti-gun people feel like accept made a victory and progress confronting pro-gun.

zghorner

922r compliance depends only on the number of foreign-manufactured parts in the firearm. If the Russian shotgun is 922r compliant with the 5 round magazine, so removing or replacing the magazine with another one does not modify the 922r compliance status of the shotgun. This is according to a summary of 922r compliance I found on the Tapco website here: TAPCO - Section 922r Compliance. I'd like to know if I'k mistaken in this assertion.

This was taken from another forum talking about hi cap mags and the mak 90:

Look guys, it has naught to practise with the now defunct '94 Assault Weapon Ban, bayonet lugs, or flash hiders etc. Because of the way ATF has interpreted the 922r police force, each fourth dimension you insert a mag you are "assembling" a firearm. At that point the 922r test applies and Chinese 30rd mags in an all-Chinese rifle is more than than 10 imported parts.

Every bit far as a MAK90 goes you would have to evidence (subsequently seizure) that your rifle was imported (not but sold to you) with 30rd mags and thus "assembling" information technology with 30rd mags today is the same "importable" configuration it came with. Good luck with that.

equally for saiga shotguns I found this from dinzag...

You have a Saiga-12 shotgun. (15 parts) You don't want to convert information technology, just you desire to run some 10 round mags or that new drum. You will demand 5 U.S. fabricated parts to arrive a U.S. firearm since running a magazine with more than 5 rounds violates 922(r). A U.Southward. made magazine will be 3 parts, and so a piston and a handguard will get in legal.

Catt57 · April 12, 2016

Dealt with this on a Chinese SKS. Bayonet was already removed so only had to get information technology down by 3 more than parts. I wanted to keep the original mode stock and the pick to employ the original stock-still magazine so that fabricated it hard. I ended up replacing the only other 3 parts I could find US fabricated: the trigger, hammer, and sear installed in a spare trigger assembly. I institute a Us made muzzle restriction/flash hider and made my ain custom stock extension. I and so found a hand guard and put the original stock and hand guard away in storage. Added a scope mount and scope. It shoots great and can be taken dorsum to fully original within 30 minutes.

Odds are no one would always know if information technology wasn't compliant. But information technology makes for cheap headache insurance.

dennishoddy

I have an Akudal 1919 12ga that needed to become compliant.
I bought a kit in a little pocketbook that consisted of an Oring, some screws, and a couple of other Items to swap out that fabricated it legal. Stupid law that needs to be rescinded.
I'm with ^^^^^ never saw an ATF agent anywhere vehement guns downwardly and checking for parts, only I swapped them out just in example.

henschman

922r is very rarely proseuted. The few times it has been, information technology is a accuse that is tacked onto a lager case for more blatant violations like possession of unregistered motorcar guns, etc. The reason it isn't prosecuted much is that information technology is very hard to show a example under 922r... it is nearly unenforceable in most cases. Information technology is very hard to testify the state of origin of many parts. Foreign parts can simply be stamped "US" or refinished and no i could tell the difference. Also as was mentioned, 922r doesn't prohibit the possession of a noncompliant gun... it prohibits the manufacture of i. As always in a criminal prosecution, the gov't has the burden of proof... so non but would they have to bear witness beyond a reasonable doubt the country of origin of a sufficient number of the parts, but besides that the accused is the one who manufactured it in that configuration.

At present the ATF has claimed that changing out an original depression capacity magazine for a standard capacity i on a strange rifle constitutes "maufacturing" a gun. A courtroom has never ruled on this, and information technology's not the sort of thing the DOJ likes to litigate... they prefer to let the ATF to cow everyone into submission by threatening prosecution co-ordinate to their interpretation of the law, and are rarely challenged on it due to the excessively high penalties and mandatory minimums the laws carry. The DOJ chooses how they prosecute cases advisedly so equally to avoid exposing these more tenuous agency interpretations to judicial review equally much as possible, and the vast bulk of their cases effect in a guilty plea... and so these issues almost never make it in front of a judge.

In whatsoever instance, it so unlikely that a federal agent would ever have legal justification to inspect one of your guns and have the expertise to analyze the parts for land of origin that the law should not cause much if any anxiety amid the shooting public. Basically you won't be scrutinized under it unless you are committing other, more than breathy violations of federal constabulary to attract attending to you and your guns.

tulsamal

922r doesn't prohibit the possession of a noncompliant gun... it prohibits the manufacture of one. As ever in a criminal prosecution, the gov't has the brunt of proof... so not simply would they accept to prove across a reasonable dubiety the land of origin of a sufficient number of the parts, simply also that the accused is the one who manufactured it in that configuration.

And there is the key bespeak. Century would be crazy to sell guns that put together with all foreign parts. But once the rifle is in the easily of consumers... it's like trying to say what tires are legal to put on your truck. I personally wouldn't build an FAL that was non-compliant... but if I was at a gunshow and some guy offered to sell me a basic FAL for $600... I would be tempted to human activity dumb and purchase it. Providing the guy didn't talk near how it was not-compliant... and then I would suspect entrapment.

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